The Official NBA Thread: Mavs v Celtics in the NBA Finals

[addict4sneakers]

it’s no coincidence wemby been coming over here the past 5 years to get skill development

 

[JMB10215]

Mitchell
Tatum
Ant
Ja
Zion
Brunson
Booker
Bam
Fox
Paolo
Jaylen

I’m sure I’m missing guys. We are doing just fine. We’re ina space now where the guys over 32 aren’t top dogs anymore

How many of those guys you just listed will ever make a 1st team all NBA or ever finish even top 3 in MVP voting though? Maybe 2 on that list max. Some of those guys are honestly supporting players. We will always have depth and talent, but the cream at the top is not us. None of those guys are Bron, Curry, or KD level

 

[rolaholic]

Welp, might as well start the clock then

 

[wavycrocket]

Speaking of Jalen, finally got around to watching this. Well done. But yall talk about Haliburton's code switching, - Jalen is up there too.

“What is it, is the braids?”

 

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

Brunson is a coaches kid. SGA is canadian. Ant/Tatum/Brown and all the other american guys are great 1v1 players but they aren't offensive hubs like SGA, Luka, or Jokic. We need more focus on fundamentals and playmaking. When's the last time we have developed an elite big man out of the states? All of our best young players are guards

i think its the offensive system which is as kobe said accidental basketball

 

[wavycrocket]

Who's the best American player 27 and under? Tatum? That's a terrible number 1 to have, but by default he is the face of American hoops going forward. Him, Ant, and Ja? I still believe in Zion personally. When healthy he's clearly the best American player. Only 23

Dawg…Jayson Tatum is averaging like 29/8/5, and he’s been to the conference finals like 4x already (about to be 5) and has been to the finals 2 years ago


He’s the guy. You overthinking it

 

[addict4sneakers]

How many of those guys you just listed will ever make a 1st team all NBA or ever finish even top 3 in MVP voting though? Maybe 2 on that list max. Some of those guys are honestly supporting players. We will always have depth and talent, but the cream at the top is not us. None of those guys are Bron, Curry, or KD level

Ant, Brunson, and Tatum will be first team all NBA. Like I said, we’re in a space where we don’t have a generational (Zion is but he has to be healthy. Ant is close) guy but we on spots like 4-50. AJ dybantsa is coming.

 

[Coupé It]

AAU is not perfect but the euro development is so overrated.

The euro player in the NBA skills are more a result of selection effect

and soccer being more popular than basketball in many European countries.

Get your kids playing soccer early guys.

Even if you don’t like the sport - It’ll help.

 

[JMB10215]

If SGA reps team USA then ill count him until then he's international. We lack size. Its all good though, like posters above have said, we have help on the way. Flagg, Boozer, and AJ Dybantsa will all be studs from the U.S. and they are all actually 6'9 and up. We produce mainly guards right now.

 

[rolaholic]

Was gonna say Embiid but just realized he’s 30

He was also born in Yaoundé

 

[JMB10215]

Ant, Brunson, and Tatum will be first team all NBA. Like I said, we’re in a space where we don’t have a generational (Zion is but he has to be healthy. Ant is close) guy but we on spots like 4-50. AJ dybantsa is coming.

Bro its crazy how you mentioned AJ too lol I had no idea you was going to bring him up. That kid is special special.

 

[freeze]

Joker top 5 center ever

 

[HIM]

Is Jokic THAT much better than Wemby? Don’t think the gap is that big at all

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Was gonna say Embiid but just realized he’s 30

And Knowing certain histories, we can't even trust that.

 

[rolaholic]

I was going to like this, but Bron never had a huge gap. Kobe, KD, Steph were right on his bumper. Jokic timing right now, is really CRAZY tho. Stars aging out. New stars TOO young. Giannis & Luka are right there with him tho.

Let’s not get crazy. Giannis especially.

Why I find it crazy when folks make it seem like he's so far high and above his peers right now

He's already been crowned as the MVP and consensus best in the world right now, doesn't mean nobody else is near that level.

The combustible situation this season may have been partly his doing but let's not get it twisted, healthy Giannis has shown he's still 1B or 1C when on the floor

His team sucking and being umbalanced as hell doesnt mean he fell off play wise suddenly.

 

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

Is Jokic THAT much better than Wemby? Don’t think the gap is that big at all

i don't think its fair to compare until wemby gets a few years to solidify his game
wemby has potential to be better

 

[MVP]

Get outta here with fat boy Zion at this point.

Donovan make the call that you need to, discreetly please.

 

[Coupé It]

And Knowing certain histories, we can't even trust that.

Bro I was just about to say that

 

[lawdog1]

It’s interesting to me that, while a lot of people paint the basketball development pipeline as being better in some countries they than the US, a lot of the great international players that have come along have credited some of their all-around skills to playing sports other than basketball when they were young.

Like Joker’s water polo history impacting his passing and guys who played soccer like Nash saying it helped with basketball footwork.

There’s a lot that goes into someone becoming a great NBA player and, IMO, the system they come up in is much less important than innate talent and work ethic.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

for every Wemby there's a Killian Hayes

Much like dudes that call good looking women average if they were to take strolls in Manhattan ignore the weak women that live/work in that city, yall really forget/ignore the International ball players that DON'T make the cut.

Do we really need to make a list of the "garbage" that has crossed these waters over the last 15 years?

 

[JMB10215]

I was going to like this, but Bron never had a huge gap. Kobe, KD, Steph were right on his bumper. Jokic timing right now, is really CRAZY tho. Stars aging out. New stars TOO young. Giannis & Luka are right there with him tho.

Let’s not get crazy. Giannis especially.

I agree with you as far as timing. Thats why 3 years ago I really thought Giannis was going to take over. Jokic and Giannis being 29 puts them in a rare spot right now. They the only elite players in they primes. All the other cats are younger and the Kobe's/Lebrons/Stephs of the world. are out they primes right now. They have a great combo of youth and experience. And most important size.

 

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

It’s interesting to me that, while a lot of people paint the basketball development pipeline as being better in some countries they than the US, a lot of the great international players that have come along have credited some of their all-around skills to playing sports other than basketball when they were young.

Like Joker’s water polo history impacting his passing and guys who played soccer like Nash saying it helped with basketball footwork.

There’s a lot that goes into someone becoming a great NBA player and, IMO, the system they come up in is much less important than innate talent and work ethic.

did kobe lebron or jordan play other sports?

 

[addict4sneakers]

did kobe lebron or jordan play other sports?

Football and soccer

Don’t think Steph played any other sports

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I wish kids had the time to play other sports but it's hard to convince a parent NOT to go full 24/7 in one sport with all this money out here that can be made from specialization.

 

[WASHED KING]

I was going to like this, but Bron never had a huge gap. Kobe, KD, Steph were right on his bumper. Jokic timing right now, is really CRAZY tho. Stars aging out. New stars TOO young. Giannis & Luka are right there with him tho.

Let’s not get crazy. Giannis especially.

They were never close to Bron.

From 2011-2018 undisputed best player in the world by far.